Comments on: Apple Gaining Ground in Consumer and Corporate Worlds? http://cybernetnews.com/apple-gaining-ground-in-consumer-and-corporate-worlds/ Technology News Sun, 22 Nov 2009 06:53:50 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Ryan http://cybernetnews.com/apple-gaining-ground-in-consumer-and-corporate-worlds/comment-page-1/#comment-134087 Ryan Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:28:37 +0000 http://cybernetnews.com/2008/03/28/apple-gaining-ground-in-consumer-and-corporate-worlds/#comment-134087 <div class="commentquote"><a href="#comment-133953" rel="nofollow">Max wrote:</a><blockquote>I would assume it’s the expensive prices that’s stopping businesses from buying Apple computers. I mean, lots of Dell computers with better specs than their Apple counterparts can be purchased for like half the price, so why not save some cash.</blockquote></div> I suspect that is part of the problem, but Apple does have a contract with Intel where they get the top-of-the-line processors first. So it's not really possible to buy a Dell with the exact same specs, but then again most people don't need the latest and greatest hardware. <div class="commentquote"><a href="#comment-133955" rel="nofollow">Famf wrote:</a><blockquote>I think it’s because OS X is horribly inefficient compared to XP or even Ubuntu. For me, at least. I’ve tried really hard to get use to the Mac I’ve been using for the past three years in Graphic Design and I can’t.</blockquote></div> I've heard some people say similar things, but it's often because they don't approach the new operating system with an open mind. Some people just aren't comfortable with change. I've only had limited time with Mac's so I can't personally comment on this though. <div class="commentquote"><a href="#comment-133966" rel="nofollow">Change wrote:</a><blockquote>Just think of all the software (incl. licenses bought) they have lying around for you that you then cannot use. They generally don’t have the resources to look for alternatives and setup a 2nd environment for you.</blockquote></div> I think some companies that have cross-platform software, such as Adobe, should offer a software exchange system. That way users switching from one operating system to another aren't burdened with having to rebuy some of the software. <div class="commentquote"><a href="#comment-133969" rel="nofollow">Anonymous wrote:</a><blockquote>Rubbish! The only real corporate OSes are Windows 2000 Pro, XP Pro, Vista Business/Enterprise/Ultimate or SLED OR RHEL. Other OSes LACK FEATURES. What features? Google is your friend.</blockquote></div> True, but it really depend on what your corporate environment is like. Some corporations, probably the smaller ones, will be able to make do with what Apple has to offer. Max wrote:
I would assume it’s the expensive prices that’s stopping businesses from buying Apple computers. I mean, lots of Dell computers with better specs than their Apple counterparts can be purchased for like half the price, so why not save some cash.

I suspect that is part of the problem, but Apple does have a contract with Intel where they get the top-of-the-line processors first. So it’s not really possible to buy a Dell with the exact same specs, but then again most people don’t need the latest and greatest hardware.

Famf wrote:
I think it’s because OS X is horribly inefficient compared to XP or even Ubuntu.

For me, at least. I’ve tried really hard to get use to the Mac I’ve been using for the past three years in Graphic Design and I can’t.

I’ve heard some people say similar things, but it’s often because they don’t approach the new operating system with an open mind. Some people just aren’t comfortable with change. I’ve only had limited time with Mac’s so I can’t personally comment on this though.

Change wrote:
Just think of all the software (incl. licenses bought) they have lying around for you that you then cannot use. They generally don’t have the resources to look for alternatives and setup a 2nd environment for you.

I think some companies that have cross-platform software, such as Adobe, should offer a software exchange system. That way users switching from one operating system to another aren’t burdened with having to rebuy some of the software.

Anonymous wrote:
Rubbish! The only real corporate OSes are Windows 2000 Pro, XP Pro, Vista Business/Enterprise/Ultimate or SLED OR RHEL. Other OSes LACK FEATURES. What features? Google is your friend.

True, but it really depend on what your corporate environment is like. Some corporations, probably the smaller ones, will be able to make do with what Apple has to offer.

]]> By: Chandra http://cybernetnews.com/apple-gaining-ground-in-consumer-and-corporate-worlds/comment-page-1/#comment-133976 Chandra Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:14:43 +0000 http://cybernetnews.com/2008/03/28/apple-gaining-ground-in-consumer-and-corporate-worlds/#comment-133976 Though Apple notebooks and desktops are a excellent machine by itself, the total cost of ownership and compatibility is a real issue in the enterprise environment. Apple machines are a premium segment and hence cannot be compared to a Dell or a HP. Probably you can compare it to a Vaio segment. The price difference at the lower segment with a Vaio laptop and a Macbook is hardly at $200 after Apple switched over to Intel systems. For the built quality and design definitely its worth it but what really puts off the Enterprise sector is the add-on costs (additional license costs for office softwares, mail applications, Enterprise business applications etc), compatibility (hardware and software compatibility) and the additional support system environment costs. Its really tough to get the Apple system to work in windows based networking environment (including VPN). The additional resources and support costs may not worth it for a small group of users. It wouldn't be wise to have a Apple system work in a Windows based IT system. Though Apple notebooks and desktops are a excellent machine by itself, the total cost of ownership and compatibility is a real issue in the enterprise environment. Apple machines are a premium segment and hence cannot be compared to a Dell or a HP. Probably you can compare it to a Vaio segment. The price difference at the lower segment with a Vaio laptop and a Macbook is hardly at $200 after Apple switched over to Intel systems. For the built quality and design definitely its worth it but what really puts off the Enterprise sector is the add-on costs (additional license costs for office softwares, mail applications, Enterprise business applications etc), compatibility (hardware and software compatibility) and the additional support system environment costs. Its really tough to get the Apple system to work in windows based networking environment (including VPN). The additional resources and support costs may not worth it for a small group of users. It wouldn’t be wise to have a Apple system work in a Windows based IT system.

]]> By: Anonymous http://cybernetnews.com/apple-gaining-ground-in-consumer-and-corporate-worlds/comment-page-1/#comment-133969 Anonymous Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:57:41 +0000 http://cybernetnews.com/2008/03/28/apple-gaining-ground-in-consumer-and-corporate-worlds/#comment-133969 Rubbish! The only real corporate OSes are Windows 2000 Pro, XP Pro, Vista Business/Enterprise/Ultimate or SLED OR RHEL. Other OSes LACK FEATURES. What features? Google is your friend. Rubbish! The only real corporate OSes are Windows 2000 Pro, XP Pro, Vista Business/Enterprise/Ultimate or SLED OR RHEL. Other OSes LACK FEATURES. What features? Google is your friend.

]]> By: Change http://cybernetnews.com/apple-gaining-ground-in-consumer-and-corporate-worlds/comment-page-1/#comment-133966 Change Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:39:19 +0000 http://cybernetnews.com/2008/03/28/apple-gaining-ground-in-consumer-and-corporate-worlds/#comment-133966 I can tell from my own experience that the corporate world does not want to buy Apple computers because it's very difficult to support them properly in a business environment built around Windows. Just think of all the software (incl. licenses bought) they have lying around for you that you then cannot use. They generally don't have the resources to look for alternatives and setup a 2nd environment for you. Also security and control is an issue, easy deployment, easy replacement (of parts, or the whole computer). This means that choosing for an Apple when you don't have the infrastructure setup for it is becoming a business risk. I'm fighting to get one because I need it for my work, but I'm afraid it's gonna be a long road. I can tell from my own experience that the corporate world does not want to buy Apple computers because it’s very difficult to support them properly in a business environment built around Windows.

Just think of all the software (incl. licenses bought) they have lying around for you that you then cannot use. They generally don’t have the resources to look for alternatives and setup a 2nd environment for you.

Also security and control is an issue, easy deployment, easy replacement (of parts, or the whole computer). This means that choosing for an Apple when you don’t have the infrastructure setup for it is becoming a business risk.

I’m fighting to get one because I need it for my work, but I’m afraid it’s gonna be a long road.

]]> By: Michael Dobrofsky http://cybernetnews.com/apple-gaining-ground-in-consumer-and-corporate-worlds/comment-page-1/#comment-133965 Michael Dobrofsky Sat, 29 Mar 2008 06:06:22 +0000 http://cybernetnews.com/2008/03/28/apple-gaining-ground-in-consumer-and-corporate-worlds/#comment-133965 <div class="commentquote"><a href="#comment-133955" rel="nofollow">Famf wrote:</a><blockquote>I think it’s because OS X is horribly inefficient compared to XP or even Ubuntu. For me, at least. I’ve tried really hard to get use to the Mac I’ve been using for the past three years in Graphic Design and I can’t. That may just be me. I know they are more expensive than most computers of the same specs and they lack as much software.</blockquote></div> Most people find Macs a delight to use after Windows, but I understand some don't like them. Maybe it's how long you use one for, or when you first jumped on a Mac. Famf wrote:
I think it’s because OS X is horribly inefficient compared to XP or even Ubuntu.

For me, at least. I’ve tried really hard to get use to the Mac I’ve been using for the past three years in Graphic Design and I can’t.

That may just be me. I know they are more expensive than most computers of the same specs and they lack as much software.

Most people find Macs a delight to use after Windows, but I understand some don’t like them. Maybe it’s how long you use one for, or when you first jumped on a Mac.

]]> By: Mohan http://cybernetnews.com/apple-gaining-ground-in-consumer-and-corporate-worlds/comment-page-1/#comment-133964 Mohan Sat, 29 Mar 2008 05:51:25 +0000 http://cybernetnews.com/2008/03/28/apple-gaining-ground-in-consumer-and-corporate-worlds/#comment-133964 Well I had been very satisfied with Win XP Pro for years, but since Ubuntu came out and I slowly started to use it full time (I have used other Linux distributions before Ubuntu but none had the drive support or appealed to me) I was more into using my laptop then my desktop as it was fully Ubuntu. After I built my new desktop and installed Ubuntu on it am 100% satisfied. The reason is, I find Ubuntu much easier for me develop web apps, mess around with database, I like having control over my system (which Win XP Pro has to some extent and OS X has none that I know of) mean I can have the theme I want, I can have the icon set I want, etc. Also I need to do my school work once I get started on my Masters (which is going to be in Computer Science). Just my two cents. ;) But as for Apple, thats good for them, as they seem to have a good OS with bad ass looking hardware (Mac Book line of notebook, and new iMac). I don't particularly care for the OS too much but it's good to see that they are gaining some market share. Well I had been very satisfied with Win XP Pro for years, but since Ubuntu came out and I slowly started to use it full time (I have used other Linux distributions before Ubuntu but none had the drive support or appealed to me) I was more into using my laptop then my desktop as it was fully Ubuntu. After I built my new desktop and installed Ubuntu on it am 100% satisfied. The reason is, I find Ubuntu much easier for me develop web apps, mess around with database, I like having control over my system (which Win XP Pro has to some extent and OS X has none that I know of) mean I can have the theme I want, I can have the icon set I want, etc. Also I need to do my school work once I get started on my Masters (which is going to be in Computer Science). Just my two cents. ;)

But as for Apple, thats good for them, as they seem to have a good OS with bad ass looking hardware (Mac Book line of notebook, and new iMac). I don’t particularly care for the OS too much but it’s good to see that they are gaining some market share.

]]> By: Google http://cybernetnews.com/apple-gaining-ground-in-consumer-and-corporate-worlds/comment-page-1/#comment-133961 Google Sat, 29 Mar 2008 02:37:50 +0000 http://cybernetnews.com/2008/03/28/apple-gaining-ground-in-consumer-and-corporate-worlds/#comment-133961 <div class="commentquote"><a href="#comment-133955" rel="nofollow">Famf wrote:</a><blockquote>I think it’s because OS X is horribly inefficient compared to XP or even Ubuntu. For me, at least. I’ve tried really hard to get use to the Mac I’ve been using for the past three years in Graphic Design and I can’t. That may just be me. I know they are more expensive than most computers of the same specs and they lack as much software.</blockquote></div> Yup it's just you. Famf wrote:
I think it’s because OS X is horribly inefficient compared to XP or even Ubuntu.

For me, at least. I’ve tried really hard to get use to the Mac I’ve been using for the past three years in Graphic Design and I can’t.

That may just be me. I know they are more expensive than most computers of the same specs and they lack as much software.

Yup it’s just you.

]]> By: Famf http://cybernetnews.com/apple-gaining-ground-in-consumer-and-corporate-worlds/comment-page-1/#comment-133955 Famf Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:29:28 +0000 http://cybernetnews.com/2008/03/28/apple-gaining-ground-in-consumer-and-corporate-worlds/#comment-133955 I think it's because OS X is horribly inefficient compared to XP or even Ubuntu. For me, at least. I've tried really hard to get use to the Mac I've been using for the past three years in Graphic Design and I can't. That may just be me. I know they are more expensive than most computers of the same specs and they lack as much software. I think it’s because OS X is horribly inefficient compared to XP or even Ubuntu.

For me, at least. I’ve tried really hard to get use to the Mac I’ve been using for the past three years in Graphic Design and I can’t.

That may just be me. I know they are more expensive than most computers of the same specs and they lack as much software.

]]> By: Max http://cybernetnews.com/apple-gaining-ground-in-consumer-and-corporate-worlds/comment-page-1/#comment-133953 Max Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:53:42 +0000 http://cybernetnews.com/2008/03/28/apple-gaining-ground-in-consumer-and-corporate-worlds/#comment-133953 I would assume it's the expensive prices that's stopping businesses from buying Apple computers. I mean, lots of Dell computers with better specs than their Apple counterparts can be purchased for like half the price, so why not save some cash. I would assume it’s the expensive prices that’s stopping businesses from buying Apple computers. I mean, lots of Dell computers with better specs than their Apple counterparts can be purchased for like half the price, so why not save some cash.

]]> By: Omar Upegui http://cybernetnews.com/apple-gaining-ground-in-consumer-and-corporate-worlds/comment-page-1/#comment-133952 Omar Upegui Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:53:04 +0000 http://cybernetnews.com/2008/03/28/apple-gaining-ground-in-consumer-and-corporate-worlds/#comment-133952 Ryan: "8% of Windows Vista Business users are very satisfied" This means that 92% of Windows Vista Business are "Not Very Satisfied". This is really news to me after reading Microsoft's comments on how well Vista was doing. What's going on? Omar.- Ryan:

“8% of Windows Vista Business users are very satisfied”

This means that 92% of Windows Vista Business are “Not Very Satisfied”. This is really news to me after reading Microsoft’s comments on how well Vista was doing.

What’s going on?

Omar.-

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