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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 00:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div class=&quot;commentquote&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-132039&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The How-To Geek wrote:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Linux and OS X come bundled with a browser and nobody seems to complain about them. It’s simply a matter of progress… it’s important to have some sort of html rendering component as part of the operating system… for help files, custom UI, email, desktop rss readers and dozens of other uses.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
Yeah, that&#039;s the thing that always annoys me the most. Other operating systems come bundled with browsers because they are a very essential part of the operating system, yet no one really cares.

&lt;div class=&quot;commentquote&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-132050&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;leland wrote:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;If I were to use IE’s core engine, then my browser of choice would be Maxthon 2 which is quite nice.  I still prefer FF, but Maxthon is nice too and much more configurable than IE.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
I would use Maxthon as well, but the rendering performance is still rather poor in IE. For that reason I&#039;m sticking with the Firefox and Opera combination which currently works really well for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="commentquote"><a href="#comment-132039" rel="nofollow">The How-To Geek wrote:</a><br />
<blockquote>Linux and OS X come bundled with a browser and nobody seems to complain about them. It’s simply a matter of progress… it’s important to have some sort of html rendering component as part of the operating system… for help files, custom UI, email, desktop rss readers and dozens of other uses.</p></blockquote>
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<p>Yeah, that&#8217;s the thing that always annoys me the most. Other operating systems come bundled with browsers because they are a very essential part of the operating system, yet no one really cares.</p>
<div class="commentquote"><a href="#comment-132050" rel="nofollow">leland wrote:</a><br />
<blockquote>If I were to use IE’s core engine, then my browser of choice would be Maxthon 2 which is quite nice.  I still prefer FF, but Maxthon is nice too and much more configurable than IE.</p></blockquote>
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<p>I would use Maxthon as well, but the rendering performance is still rather poor in IE. For that reason I&#8217;m sticking with the Firefox and Opera combination which currently works really well for me.</p>
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		<title>By: leland</title>
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		<dc:creator>leland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Ryan I know FF is a target for malware authors, especially on Windows, but with extensions like NoScript it&#039;s much easier to stay safe from the malware that is targeted at FF.  

Yes, I knew IE was better off in Vista, but it&#039;s still not enough at this point to tempt me back.  Even if IE gets faster by chance I doubt it will ever be as configurable and customizable as FF, and that is truly what keeps me using FF, because I can make it function that way I want, and not some pre-configured setup Microsoft feeds us.  Yes, I know IEPro helps in this regard, but it &#039;s still no FF.

If I were to use IE&#039;s core engine, then my browser of choice would be Maxthon 2 which is quite nice.  I still prefer FF, but Maxthon is nice too and much more configurable than IE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Ryan I know FF is a target for malware authors, especially on Windows, but with extensions like NoScript it&#8217;s much easier to stay safe from the malware that is targeted at FF.  </p>
<p>Yes, I knew IE was better off in Vista, but it&#8217;s still not enough at this point to tempt me back.  Even if IE gets faster by chance I doubt it will ever be as configurable and customizable as FF, and that is truly what keeps me using FF, because I can make it function that way I want, and not some pre-configured setup Microsoft feeds us.  Yes, I know IEPro helps in this regard, but it &#8217;s still no FF.</p>
<p>If I were to use IE&#8217;s core engine, then my browser of choice would be Maxthon 2 which is quite nice.  I still prefer FF, but Maxthon is nice too and much more configurable than IE.</p>
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		<title>By: The How-To Geek</title>
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		<dc:creator>The How-To Geek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 08:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;As much as I agree with you I also have to disagree. If Microsoft never released Internet Explorer would the web be what it is today?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is an excellent point. Linux and OS X come bundled with a browser and nobody seems to complain about them. It&#039;s simply a matter of progress... it&#039;s important to have some sort of html rendering component as part of the operating system... for help files, custom UI, email, desktop rss readers and dozens of other uses.

The reality is that Netscape 3/4 were blown out of the water by IE 5/6 in features alone. They simply stopping innovating... but everybody seems to forget that since Microsoft also used their monopoly to their advantage.

Things that the web are now built on like iframes, dhtml and ajax are all Microsoft innovations (or at least they included them first). Even Firefox just &quot;emulates&quot; the Microsoft xmlhttprequest object (although it does a much better job than IE does)

Yes, I&#039;m a Firefox user.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>As much as I agree with you I also have to disagree. If Microsoft never released Internet Explorer would the web be what it is today?</p></blockquote>
<p>This is an excellent point. Linux and OS X come bundled with a browser and nobody seems to complain about them. It&#8217;s simply a matter of progress&#8230; it&#8217;s important to have some sort of html rendering component as part of the operating system&#8230; for help files, custom UI, email, desktop rss readers and dozens of other uses.</p>
<p>The reality is that Netscape 3/4 were blown out of the water by IE 5/6 in features alone. They simply stopping innovating&#8230; but everybody seems to forget that since Microsoft also used their monopoly to their advantage.</p>
<p>Things that the web are now built on like iframes, dhtml and ajax are all Microsoft innovations (or at least they included them first). Even Firefox just &#8220;emulates&#8221; the Microsoft xmlhttprequest object (although it does a much better job than IE does)</p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;m a Firefox user.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div class=&quot;commentquote&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-131973&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The How-To Geek wrote:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The most important thing here is competition, not just on features but other areas like usability, looks, and speed.

There’s no reason why Firefox couldn’t be made more lightweight like Opera is, and IE couldn’t be made more flexible like Firefox. The only thing that will inspire these changes is competition.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
That is a really good point, and competition in the browser arena is definitely needed. Heck, without competition we would still be stuck with IE 6 probably.

&lt;div class=&quot;commentquote&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-131975&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;bloodsugarwilksm wrote:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Eh, I would never “switch” back to IE 7 or 8 or 9 unless Mozilla dropped the ball in a huge way and Firefox development ceased.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
I&#039;m a huge supporter of open source as well, but even more so I&#039;m a supporter of good products. If by some miracle Microsoft makes IE 8 perform better than Firefox or Opera they will likely win me back. But I just don&#039;t see Microsoft caring about optimizing the performance that much.

&lt;div class=&quot;commentquote&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-131984&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;leland wrote:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;I tend to think I will not go back to IE for a day to day browser just because of how tied into the operating system it is.  That makes it too big a target for malware authors to target hence the reason I don’t want to go back.  Now that said I do still use it on occasion, just not for daily use.  If they could find a way to safely run it without worry about the OS getting infected then I will take another look.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
In Vista it is a lot less tied into the operating system than it was in XP. It doesn&#039;t share things with Windows Explorer, for example, which is why FTP sites do not load up the same way they used to in IE6. As far as security goes I think Firefox is a lot better off, but as the market share continues to increase Firefox will also become a prime target for attacks. So the sense of security won&#039;t last for too long I don&#039;t think.

&lt;div class=&quot;commentquote&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-131995&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Omar Upegui wrote:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;I promised not to use Microsoft Internet Explorer after seeing the way Microsoft crushed Netscape and the arrogant posture of the company ever since.  The fact of embedding IE inside Windows to insure its prominence was humiliating.  When Firefox came along, I saw my chance to get even with Microsoft.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
As much as I agree with you I also have to disagree. If Microsoft never released Internet Explorer would the web be what it is today? It would be a lot more difficult to download an alternative web browser if your computer didn&#039;t come bundled with one. I really don&#039;t think the Internet would be as prosperous as it is today if it wasn&#039;t for IE. And believe me, it&#039;s hard for me to say that because of how terrible the browser has been.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="commentquote"><a href="#comment-131973" rel="nofollow">The How-To Geek wrote:</a><br />
<blockquote>The most important thing here is competition, not just on features but other areas like usability, looks, and speed.</p>
<p>There’s no reason why Firefox couldn’t be made more lightweight like Opera is, and IE couldn’t be made more flexible like Firefox. The only thing that will inspire these changes is competition.</p></blockquote>
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<p>That is a really good point, and competition in the browser arena is definitely needed. Heck, without competition we would still be stuck with IE 6 probably.</p>
<div class="commentquote"><a href="#comment-131975" rel="nofollow">bloodsugarwilksm wrote:</a><br />
<blockquote>Eh, I would never “switch” back to IE 7 or 8 or 9 unless Mozilla dropped the ball in a huge way and Firefox development ceased.</p></blockquote>
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<p>I&#8217;m a huge supporter of open source as well, but even more so I&#8217;m a supporter of good products. If by some miracle Microsoft makes IE 8 perform better than Firefox or Opera they will likely win me back. But I just don&#8217;t see Microsoft caring about optimizing the performance that much.</p>
<div class="commentquote"><a href="#comment-131984" rel="nofollow">leland wrote:</a><br />
<blockquote>I tend to think I will not go back to IE for a day to day browser just because of how tied into the operating system it is.  That makes it too big a target for malware authors to target hence the reason I don’t want to go back.  Now that said I do still use it on occasion, just not for daily use.  If they could find a way to safely run it without worry about the OS getting infected then I will take another look.</p></blockquote>
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<p>In Vista it is a lot less tied into the operating system than it was in XP. It doesn&#8217;t share things with Windows Explorer, for example, which is why FTP sites do not load up the same way they used to in IE6. As far as security goes I think Firefox is a lot better off, but as the market share continues to increase Firefox will also become a prime target for attacks. So the sense of security won&#8217;t last for too long I don&#8217;t think.</p>
<div class="commentquote"><a href="#comment-131995" rel="nofollow">Omar Upegui wrote:</a><br />
<blockquote>I promised not to use Microsoft Internet Explorer after seeing the way Microsoft crushed Netscape and the arrogant posture of the company ever since.  The fact of embedding IE inside Windows to insure its prominence was humiliating.  When Firefox came along, I saw my chance to get even with Microsoft.</p></blockquote>
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<p>As much as I agree with you I also have to disagree. If Microsoft never released Internet Explorer would the web be what it is today? It would be a lot more difficult to download an alternative web browser if your computer didn&#8217;t come bundled with one. I really don&#8217;t think the Internet would be as prosperous as it is today if it wasn&#8217;t for IE. And believe me, it&#8217;s hard for me to say that because of how terrible the browser has been.</p>
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		<title>By: CoryC</title>
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		<dc:creator>CoryC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div class=&quot;commentquote&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-131987&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Google wrote:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;How about fix what you have first before releasing another one.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

The only way to &quot;fix&quot; software is by releasing a new build (version). If you fix or enhance enough items then the &quot;major&quot; number will increase (for example version 6 to version 8).

For those of you who don&#039;t understand software build number, it&#039;s in the format &quot;major.minor.build.revision&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="commentquote"><a href="#comment-131987" rel="nofollow">Google wrote:</a><br />
<blockquote>How about fix what you have first before releasing another one.</p></blockquote>
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<p>The only way to &#8220;fix&#8221; software is by releasing a new build (version). If you fix or enhance enough items then the &#8220;major&#8221; number will increase (for example version 6 to version 8).</p>
<p>For those of you who don&#8217;t understand software build number, it&#8217;s in the format &#8220;major.minor.build.revision&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Omar Upegui</title>
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		<dc:creator>Omar Upegui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ryan:

&quot;I know a lot of you have the minds set on the fact that you’ll never switch back to Internet Explorer, but I like to always keep an open mind.&quot;

I promised not to use Microsoft Internet Explorer after seeing the way Microsoft crushed Netscape and the arrogant posture of the company ever since.  The fact of embedding IE inside Windows to insure its prominence was humiliating.  When Firefox came along, I saw my chance to get even with Microsoft.

If Mozilla Firefox continues its policy of constant improvement and innovation, there&#039;s no way I&#039;m going to switch to IE no matter how good they might be in the future, which I sincerely doubt.

Goodby IE! 

Regards,

Omar.-

P.S.  Ryan &amp; Ashley:  Thank you very much for having my as an &quot;Active All Star&quot; commentator in your Web site.  I feel honored to be there, as I consider CyberNet one of the best technology blogs on the Internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ryan:</p>
<p>&#8220;I know a lot of you have the minds set on the fact that you’ll never switch back to Internet Explorer, but I like to always keep an open mind.&#8221;</p>
<p>I promised not to use Microsoft Internet Explorer after seeing the way Microsoft crushed Netscape and the arrogant posture of the company ever since.  The fact of embedding IE inside Windows to insure its prominence was humiliating.  When Firefox came along, I saw my chance to get even with Microsoft.</p>
<p>If Mozilla Firefox continues its policy of constant improvement and innovation, there&#8217;s no way I&#8217;m going to switch to IE no matter how good they might be in the future, which I sincerely doubt.</p>
<p>Goodby IE! </p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Omar.-</p>
<p>P.S.  Ryan &amp; Ashley:  Thank you very much for having my as an &#8220;Active All Star&#8221; commentator in your Web site.  I feel honored to be there, as I consider CyberNet one of the best technology blogs on the Internet.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still use IE for those rare occasions when I come across a site that doesn&#039;t load right in Opera or Firefox.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still use IE for those rare occasions when I come across a site that doesn&#8217;t load right in Opera or Firefox.</p>
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		<title>By: Google</title>
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		<dc:creator>Google</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about fix what you have first before releasing another one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about fix what you have first before releasing another one.</p>
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		<title>By: leland</title>
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		<dc:creator>leland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to think I will not go back to IE for a day to day browser just because of how tied into the operating system it is.  That makes it too big a target for malware authors to target hence the reason I don&#039;t want to go back.  Now that said I do still use it on occasion, just not for daily use.  If they could find a way to safely run it without worry about the OS getting infected then I will take another look.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to think I will not go back to IE for a day to day browser just because of how tied into the operating system it is.  That makes it too big a target for malware authors to target hence the reason I don&#8217;t want to go back.  Now that said I do still use it on occasion, just not for daily use.  If they could find a way to safely run it without worry about the OS getting infected then I will take another look.</p>
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		<title>By: bloodsugarwilksm</title>
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		<dc:creator>bloodsugarwilksm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eh, I would never &quot;switch&quot; back to IE 7 or 8 or 9 unless Mozilla dropped the ball in a huge way and Firefox development ceased.  

The reason is this: Mozilla is open-source and I heavily support open-source software.  They&#039;re a good company that makes a good web browser and they are dedicated to making the internet accessible via Firefox.  I think the innovation coming out of Mozilla is far better than any innovation coming out of Microsoft.  

So basically how I use my web browsers now is that I have to use IE for certain tasks like a few work related web sites as well as school related websites.  However, overall Firefox gives me better performance.  Therefore, I use Firefox as my default browser and then I just use IE for anything that requires it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eh, I would never &#8220;switch&#8221; back to IE 7 or 8 or 9 unless Mozilla dropped the ball in a huge way and Firefox development ceased.  </p>
<p>The reason is this: Mozilla is open-source and I heavily support open-source software.  They&#8217;re a good company that makes a good web browser and they are dedicated to making the internet accessible via Firefox.  I think the innovation coming out of Mozilla is far better than any innovation coming out of Microsoft.  </p>
<p>So basically how I use my web browsers now is that I have to use IE for certain tasks like a few work related web sites as well as school related websites.  However, overall Firefox gives me better performance.  Therefore, I use Firefox as my default browser and then I just use IE for anything that requires it.</p>
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