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	<title>Comments on: Mozilla Comments on Apple&#8217;s &quot;Update&quot; Practices</title>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://cybernetnews.com/mozilla-comments-on-apples-update-practices/comment-page-1/#comment-133688</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 23:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div class=&quot;commentquote&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-133635&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;IceDogg wrote:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;I think you may see a serge, at first, in browsers stats as some will be curious about it. It’s the long term to see for sure. Several months it will take to see the real results of this umm approach Apple is taking.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
That&#039;s what I was thinking as well. For some reason though it keeps running through my head that the surge is going to be rather large from this, but I don&#039;t think that&#039;s really going to be the case. I doubt it will be more than a 1% increase over last month, but I can&#039;t stop thinking that it could be much more significant than that.

What will be even more interesting would be to see which browser it takes the market share away from: IE or Firefox.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="commentquote"><a href="#comment-133635" rel="nofollow">IceDogg wrote:</a><br />
<blockquote>I think you may see a serge, at first, in browsers stats as some will be curious about it. It’s the long term to see for sure. Several months it will take to see the real results of this umm approach Apple is taking.</p></blockquote>
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<p>That&#8217;s what I was thinking as well. For some reason though it keeps running through my head that the surge is going to be rather large from this, but I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s really going to be the case. I doubt it will be more than a 1% increase over last month, but I can&#8217;t stop thinking that it could be much more significant than that.</p>
<p>What will be even more interesting would be to see which browser it takes the market share away from: IE or Firefox.</p>
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		<title>By: IceDogg</title>
		<link>http://cybernetnews.com/mozilla-comments-on-apples-update-practices/comment-page-1/#comment-133635</link>
		<dc:creator>IceDogg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 05:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you may see a serge, at first, in browsers stats as some will be curious about it. It&#039;s the long term to see for sure. Several months it will take to see the real results of this umm approach Apple is taking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you may see a serge, at first, in browsers stats as some will be curious about it. It&#8217;s the long term to see for sure. Several months it will take to see the real results of this umm approach Apple is taking.</p>
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		<title>By: The Guru</title>
		<link>http://cybernetnews.com/mozilla-comments-on-apples-update-practices/comment-page-1/#comment-133631</link>
		<dc:creator>The Guru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 03:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t mind QuickTime if it could install without leaving a mess of short cuts (and secretly starting when Windows stars) all over my system. At least I get the option NOT to install Safari, cain&#039;t say the same about QuickTime though with iTunes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t mind QuickTime if it could install without leaving a mess of short cuts (and secretly starting when Windows stars) all over my system. At least I get the option NOT to install Safari, cain&#8217;t say the same about QuickTime though with iTunes.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cybernetnews.com/mozilla-comments-on-apples-update-practices/comment-page-1/#comment-133629</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 02:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Time for a &quot;Magic Carpet Ride&quot;, send the Official Apple applications bye bye.  I got rid of all my Apple software several years ago and haven&#039;t ever had to be bothered with dealing with them.

&quot;Kick Apple to the Curb&quot; and utilize these fine applications instead.
Media Monkey (Itunes replacement)works with Ipods
http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail/MediaMonkey/1004522272/1

Quicktime Alternative (Quicktime Player replacement) plays any file Quicktime would, don&#039;t check the MP3 add box though.
http://www.filehippo.com/download_quicktime_alternative/

For those unfortunate enough to have bought and I-phone sorry your stuck with Itunes for updates of firmware. (Oh Well)

Together we can all send Mr. Jobs a message, &quot;don&#039;t try it buddy&quot;
customers vote with their loyalty.

I&#039;m a Bill Gates fan but I can&#039;t groove to Steve Jobs and his nonsense known as &quot;Apple&quot;, but hey different strokes for different folks.  I always say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time for a &#8220;Magic Carpet Ride&#8221;, send the Official Apple applications bye bye.  I got rid of all my Apple software several years ago and haven&#8217;t ever had to be bothered with dealing with them.</p>
<p>&#8220;Kick Apple to the Curb&#8221; and utilize these fine applications instead.<br />
Media Monkey (Itunes replacement)works with Ipods<br />
[<a href='http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail/MediaMonkey/1004522272/1' rel='nofollow'>fileforum.betanews.com</a>]</p>
<p>Quicktime Alternative (Quicktime Player replacement) plays any file Quicktime would, don&#8217;t check the MP3 add box though.<br />
[<a href='http://www.filehippo.com/download_quicktime_alternative/' rel='nofollow'>filehippo.com</a>]</p>
<p>For those unfortunate enough to have bought and I-phone sorry your stuck with Itunes for updates of firmware. (Oh Well)</p>
<p>Together we can all send Mr. Jobs a message, &#8220;don&#8217;t try it buddy&#8221;<br />
customers vote with their loyalty.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a Bill Gates fan but I can&#8217;t groove to Steve Jobs and his nonsense known as &#8220;Apple&#8221;, but hey different strokes for different folks.  I always say.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://cybernetnews.com/mozilla-comments-on-apples-update-practices/comment-page-1/#comment-133598</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div class=&quot;commentquote&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-133565&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;kiltboy wrote:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Assuming they haven’t already thought about doing something like this, methinks that Apple may have just given all those talented virus writers their new method of distribution - either hack somebody’s software update process or create one that looks very similar.  I suspect if Apple has success distributing Safari this way, we’ll see a massive outbreak of viruses pushed this way too.  Even more so because my intuition says “the great unwashed” have probably set these software updaters as safe programs in their security software, potentially allowing them to avoid standard scans and usage restrictions.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
Initially that didn&#039;t cross my mind, but when Mozilla said that this is bordering on Malware the first thing that I thought about was using this for virus distribution. Guess we&#039;ll see just how good Apple is at writing secure Windows applications.

&lt;div class=&quot;commentquote&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-133576&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Iain Purdie wrote:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Why hasn’t anyone complained about the way that - for months - the updater has been trying to force iTunes on people? I’ve got Quicktime installed pretty much purely for the codec and plugin, but every other week I’m offered an update to Quicktime… or Quicktime+iTunes. A much bigger download and a program I have no use for.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
I would have, but to be honest whenever I install iTunes I also install QuickTime. So I haven&#039;t ever noticed it happening before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="commentquote"><a href="#comment-133565" rel="nofollow">kiltboy wrote:</a><br />
<blockquote>Assuming they haven’t already thought about doing something like this, methinks that Apple may have just given all those talented virus writers their new method of distribution &#8211; either hack somebody’s software update process or create one that looks very similar.  I suspect if Apple has success distributing Safari this way, we’ll see a massive outbreak of viruses pushed this way too.  Even more so because my intuition says “the great unwashed” have probably set these software updaters as safe programs in their security software, potentially allowing them to avoid standard scans and usage restrictions.</p></blockquote>
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<p>Initially that didn&#8217;t cross my mind, but when Mozilla said that this is bordering on Malware the first thing that I thought about was using this for virus distribution. Guess we&#8217;ll see just how good Apple is at writing secure Windows applications.</p>
<div class="commentquote"><a href="#comment-133576" rel="nofollow">Iain Purdie wrote:</a><br />
<blockquote>Why hasn’t anyone complained about the way that &#8211; for months &#8211; the updater has been trying to force iTunes on people? I’ve got Quicktime installed pretty much purely for the codec and plugin, but every other week I’m offered an update to Quicktime… or Quicktime+iTunes. A much bigger download and a program I have no use for.</p></blockquote>
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<p>I would have, but to be honest whenever I install iTunes I also install QuickTime. So I haven&#8217;t ever noticed it happening before.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashley</title>
		<link>http://cybernetnews.com/mozilla-comments-on-apples-update-practices/comment-page-1/#comment-133594</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div class=&quot;commentquote&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-133573&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;motang wrote:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;So now who is the bad guy?  All these years people talk about Microsoft (no I am not a Microsoft fan boy far from it) how they bundle Windows Media player with their OS for example, and now Apple seems to be doing the same thing where they force their browser on to people who didn’t even know that existed or couldn’t careless about it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
It&#039;s not about what&#039;s being installed on the computer at the factory (like Apple installing Safari before it ships) that&#039;s in question. It&#039;s the fact that they&#039;re using an application that&#039;s supposed to provide updates for already installed programs, to introduce a completely new program. In this case, they are using the Apple Software Updater to introduce Safari, something that the user does not have installed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="commentquote"><a href="#comment-133573" rel="nofollow">motang wrote:</a><br />
<blockquote>So now who is the bad guy?  All these years people talk about Microsoft (no I am not a Microsoft fan boy far from it) how they bundle Windows Media player with their OS for example, and now Apple seems to be doing the same thing where they force their browser on to people who didn’t even know that existed or couldn’t careless about it.</p></blockquote>
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<p>It&#8217;s not about what&#8217;s being installed on the computer at the factory (like Apple installing Safari before it ships) that&#8217;s in question. It&#8217;s the fact that they&#8217;re using an application that&#8217;s supposed to provide updates for already installed programs, to introduce a completely new program. In this case, they are using the Apple Software Updater to introduce Safari, something that the user does not have installed.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But it&#039;s not surprising...Apple has always been like that...bundled and advertised things. And yes, they should really do something about updating existing apps too, downloading the whole iTunes+QuickTime installer everytime is very Nero-like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But it&#8217;s not surprising&#8230;Apple has always been like that&#8230;bundled and advertised things. And yes, they should really do something about updating existing apps too, downloading the whole iTunes+QuickTime installer everytime is very Nero-like.</p>
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		<title>By: Tinhed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tinhed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am just glad i have switched to linux, and i dont have to deal with the rubbish that apple serves every now and them. Well thats nothing new, as far as Apple is concerned, cheating people with deceit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am just glad i have switched to linux, and i dont have to deal with the rubbish that apple serves every now and them. Well thats nothing new, as far as Apple is concerned, cheating people with deceit.</p>
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		<title>By: Iain Purdie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iain Purdie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why hasn&#039;t anyone complained about the way that - for months - the updater has been trying to force iTunes on people? I&#039;ve got Quicktime installed pretty much purely for the codec and plugin, but every other week I&#039;m offered an update to Quicktime... or Quicktime+iTunes. A much bigger download and a program I have no use for.

I&#039;ve clicked on &quot;Ignore selected downloads&quot; which works fine. Until the next month when the iTunes combo is a new version and therefore now I must be interested in it.

Oh, I also like the way the updater claims that Safari is the fastest browser on the PC. I seem to recall reading several articles recently which point to Firefox still being significantly faster, especially the (in fairness, unreleased) v3.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why hasn&#8217;t anyone complained about the way that &#8211; for months &#8211; the updater has been trying to force iTunes on people? I&#8217;ve got Quicktime installed pretty much purely for the codec and plugin, but every other week I&#8217;m offered an update to Quicktime&#8230; or Quicktime+iTunes. A much bigger download and a program I have no use for.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve clicked on &#8220;Ignore selected downloads&#8221; which works fine. Until the next month when the iTunes combo is a new version and therefore now I must be interested in it.</p>
<p>Oh, I also like the way the updater claims that Safari is the fastest browser on the PC. I seem to recall reading several articles recently which point to Firefox still being significantly faster, especially the (in fairness, unreleased) v3.</p>
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		<title>By: motang</title>
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		<dc:creator>motang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So now who is the bad guy?  All these years people talk about Microsoft (no I am not a Microsoft fan boy far from it) how they bundle Windows Media player with their OS for example, and now Apple seems to be doing the same thing where they force their browser on to people who didn&#039;t even know that existed or couldn&#039;t careless about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So now who is the bad guy?  All these years people talk about Microsoft (no I am not a Microsoft fan boy far from it) how they bundle Windows Media player with their OS for example, and now Apple seems to be doing the same thing where they force their browser on to people who didn&#8217;t even know that existed or couldn&#8217;t careless about it.</p>
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