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		<title>By: Kurazaybo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurazaybo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been using this new theme for a couple of days now and noticed that the scroll bar has little contrast, it&#039;s easier to locate the scroller there, I think it would be better if they could make it stand out a little more.

Also, I do not like much the idea of the new tab button becoming a mobile target but hey, with Opera you can change that easily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been using this new theme for a couple of days now and noticed that the scroll bar has little contrast, it&#8217;s easier to locate the scroller there, I think it would be better if they could make it stand out a little more.</p>
<p>Also, I do not like much the idea of the new tab button becoming a mobile target but hey, with Opera you can change that easily.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 02:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div class=&quot;commentquote&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-138849&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ward wrote:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;It seems more logical to have the tabs along the bottom.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
Yes and no. I like having the tab bar along the top (I&#039;ve tried it on the bottom and on the sides) because that&#039;s where the address bar is. That way I can quickly switch between tabs and change addresses all in generally the same spot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="commentquote"><a href="#comment-138849" rel="nofollow">Ward wrote:</a><br />
<blockquote>It seems more logical to have the tabs along the bottom.</p></blockquote>
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<p>Yes and no. I like having the tab bar along the top (I&#8217;ve tried it on the bottom and on the sides) because that&#8217;s where the address bar is. That way I can quickly switch between tabs and change addresses all in generally the same spot.</p>
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		<title>By: Ward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 02:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems more logical to have the tabs along the bottom.

The GUI is already fairly dense up there; the menu, toolbars and the Windows titlebar. I also have the sidebar on the right (OK, you might start thinking I&#039;m weird :D) because whenever I toggle the side bar, it shifts the website content a few centimetres forcing me to re-orient. But if the sidebar is on the right, it has much less impact on the site you&#039;re viewing.

Screen shot needed, methinks...

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/2530/clipboardimagecs7.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems more logical to have the tabs along the bottom.</p>
<p>The GUI is already fairly dense up there; the menu, toolbars and the Windows titlebar. I also have the sidebar on the right (OK, you might start thinking I&#8217;m weird <img src='http://cybernetnews.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> ) because whenever I toggle the side bar, it shifts the website content a few centimetres forcing me to re-orient. But if the sidebar is on the right, it has much less impact on the site you&#8217;re viewing.</p>
<p>Screen shot needed, methinks&#8230;</p>
<p>[<a href='http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/2530/clipboardimagecs7.jpg' rel='nofollow'>img339.imageshack.us</a>]</p>
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		<title>By: Change</title>
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		<dc:creator>Change</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 22:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div class=&quot;commentquote&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-138829&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ryan wrote:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;To be fair tabs weren’t exactly invented by Opera, but I think they were the first to really make it a mainstream feature.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
 :oops: Right.. Netcaptor, a browser shell for IE, holds that crown. Thought there was no general agreement on that, but it looks like there is: http://adamstiles.com/2005/02/tabbed_browser_/
Now I&#039;m the one uninformed :P Still plenty of innovation going on at the Opera Labs though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="commentquote"><a href="#comment-138829" rel="nofollow">Ryan wrote:</a><br />
<blockquote>To be fair tabs weren’t exactly invented by Opera, but I think they were the first to really make it a mainstream feature.</p></blockquote>
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<p> <img src='http://cybernetnews.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_redface.gif' alt=':oops:' class='wp-smiley' />  Right.. Netcaptor, a browser shell for IE, holds that crown. Thought there was no general agreement on that, but it looks like there is: [<a href='http://adamstiles.com/2005/02/tabbed_browser_/' rel='nofollow'>adamstiles.com</a>]<br />
Now I&#8217;m the one uninformed <img src='http://cybernetnews.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  Still plenty of innovation going on at the Opera Labs though.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div class=&quot;commentquote&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-138784&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Change wrote:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;commentquote&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-138758&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Matt wrote:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Opera and Safari never do anything innovative&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Are you crazy or just uninformed? They’re one of the most innovative browsers around, especially Opera. You even mentioned one invention in your own post: Speed Dial, an Opera invention. And er.. ever heard of tabs? Opera invention. Lots of innovation going on in the mobile market for both as well. They’re both more standards compliant and faster than any other browser out there too, leading the pack. And more..&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
To be fair tabs weren&#039;t exactly invented by Opera, but I think they were the first to really make it a mainstream feature.

&lt;div class=&quot;commentquote&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-138788&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ward wrote:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The reason I use tabs along the bottom is because I got into Opera so long ago, that the only other thing that used tabs was Excel. They were aligned along the bottom, so I adjusted Opera to match.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
That&#039;s a really interesting observation. I never really thought of people placing tabs at the bottom of the browser because they became accustomed to it in Excel. You must have/do use Excel a lot. ;)

&lt;div class=&quot;commentquote&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-138795&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;PhoenixP3K wrote:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The classic and standard themes are available within the browsers for those who can’t stomach the new UI Skin.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
Personally I would never switch back to the old themes... this one is way better in my opinion.

&lt;div class=&quot;commentquote&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-138814&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pallab wrote:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Anyway, desktop team just released another build with a more polished version of the skin. Do check that out.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
Wow... that was a quick turn around. Nice to see them taking in the feedback and making changes accordingly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="commentquote"><a href="#comment-138784" rel="nofollow">Change wrote:</a><br />
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<div class="commentquote"><a href="#comment-138758" rel="nofollow">Matt wrote:</a><br />
<blockquote>Opera and Safari never do anything innovative</p></blockquote>
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<p>Are you crazy or just uninformed? They’re one of the most innovative browsers around, especially Opera. You even mentioned one invention in your own post: Speed Dial, an Opera invention. And er.. ever heard of tabs? Opera invention. Lots of innovation going on in the mobile market for both as well. They’re both more standards compliant and faster than any other browser out there too, leading the pack. And more..</p></blockquote>
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<p>To be fair tabs weren&#8217;t exactly invented by Opera, but I think they were the first to really make it a mainstream feature.</p>
<div class="commentquote"><a href="#comment-138788" rel="nofollow">Ward wrote:</a><br />
<blockquote>The reason I use tabs along the bottom is because I got into Opera so long ago, that the only other thing that used tabs was Excel. They were aligned along the bottom, so I adjusted Opera to match.</p></blockquote>
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<p>That&#8217;s a really interesting observation. I never really thought of people placing tabs at the bottom of the browser because they became accustomed to it in Excel. You must have/do use Excel a lot. <img src='http://cybernetnews.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<div class="commentquote"><a href="#comment-138795" rel="nofollow">PhoenixP3K wrote:</a><br />
<blockquote>The classic and standard themes are available within the browsers for those who can’t stomach the new UI Skin.</p></blockquote>
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<p>Personally I would never switch back to the old themes&#8230; this one is way better in my opinion.</p>
<div class="commentquote"><a href="#comment-138814" rel="nofollow">Pallab wrote:</a><br />
<blockquote>Anyway, desktop team just released another build with a more polished version of the skin. Do check that out.</p></blockquote>
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<p>Wow&#8230; that was a quick turn around. Nice to see them taking in the feedback and making changes accordingly.</p>
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		<title>By: Pallab</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pallab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 19:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Opera is my primary browser, and has been so for a long long time. I love the skin but has some small issues. The tab bar is too thick, close button is too small and the positioning of new tab button is bad.
I had blogged about this earlier today.

Anyway, desktop team just released another build with a more polished version of the skin. Do check that out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Opera is my primary browser, and has been so for a long long time. I love the skin but has some small issues. The tab bar is too thick, close button is too small and the positioning of new tab button is bad.<br />
I had blogged about this earlier today.</p>
<p>Anyway, desktop team just released another build with a more polished version of the skin. Do check that out.</p>
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		<title>By: PhoenixP3K</title>
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		<dc:creator>PhoenixP3K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 15:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the new theme a lot. Concerning the refresh button it&#039;s important to remember that this is the same button that changes to the stop one and turns bright red. It&#039;s important for it to be very different to enable contrast from when it&#039;s a refresh button to when it becomes a stop one.

After using it for a day I can tell you the close tab button doesn&#039;t feel to small. You adjust quite fast. The classic and standard themes are available within the browsers for those who can&#039;t stomach the new UI Skin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the new theme a lot. Concerning the refresh button it&#8217;s important to remember that this is the same button that changes to the stop one and turns bright red. It&#8217;s important for it to be very different to enable contrast from when it&#8217;s a refresh button to when it becomes a stop one.</p>
<p>After using it for a day I can tell you the close tab button doesn&#8217;t feel to small. You adjust quite fast. The classic and standard themes are available within the browsers for those who can&#8217;t stomach the new UI Skin.</p>
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		<title>By: Ward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 08:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason I use tabs along the bottom is because I got into Opera so long ago, that the only other thing that used tabs was Excel. They were aligned along the bottom, so I adjusted Opera to match.

It scatters parts of the GUI around the window. It&#039;s not a chore to use because I hardly ever use the mouse pointer to navigate tabs - I use either right-click and scroll or the FlipBack/Forward (or the keyboard) gestures to switch to the tab on the left/right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason I use tabs along the bottom is because I got into Opera so long ago, that the only other thing that used tabs was Excel. They were aligned along the bottom, so I adjusted Opera to match.</p>
<p>It scatters parts of the GUI around the window. It&#8217;s not a chore to use because I hardly ever use the mouse pointer to navigate tabs &#8211; I use either right-click and scroll or the FlipBack/Forward (or the keyboard) gestures to switch to the tab on the left/right.</p>
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		<title>By: Change</title>
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		<dc:creator>Change</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 07:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div class=&quot;commentquote&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-138758&quot;&gt;Matt wrote:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Opera and Safari never do anything innovative&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
Are you crazy or just uninformed? They&#039;re one of the most innovative browsers around, especially Opera. You even mentioned one invention in your own post: Speed Dial, an Opera invention. And er.. ever heard of tabs? Opera invention. Lots of innovation going on in the mobile market for both as well. They’re both more standards compliant and faster than any other browser out there too, leading the pack. And more..

Firefox is aimed at becoming a standards compliant mainstream browser, where the &quot;mainstream&quot; limits them in being innovative, as this means some inventions will fail and that doesn&#039;t work well when you want to become mainstream. I think Firefox is a good balance between careful innovation and copying successful innovation from other browsers, bringing it into the mainstream market.

Anyway, I like this theme a lot. Feels more modern than the old theme, though I have to agree with Ryan about the resting state of the refresh button. I see no reason why this button would have to stand out from the rest. I would like it if they would release a version of this skin that fits in Windows Classic :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="commentquote"><a href="#comment-138758">Matt wrote:</a><br />
<blockquote>Opera and Safari never do anything innovative</p></blockquote>
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<p>Are you crazy or just uninformed? They&#8217;re one of the most innovative browsers around, especially Opera. You even mentioned one invention in your own post: Speed Dial, an Opera invention. And er.. ever heard of tabs? Opera invention. Lots of innovation going on in the mobile market for both as well. They’re both more standards compliant and faster than any other browser out there too, leading the pack. And more..</p>
<p>Firefox is aimed at becoming a standards compliant mainstream browser, where the &#8220;mainstream&#8221; limits them in being innovative, as this means some inventions will fail and that doesn&#8217;t work well when you want to become mainstream. I think Firefox is a good balance between careful innovation and copying successful innovation from other browsers, bringing it into the mainstream market.</p>
<p>Anyway, I like this theme a lot. Feels more modern than the old theme, though I have to agree with Ryan about the resting state of the refresh button. I see no reason why this button would have to stand out from the rest. I would like it if they would release a version of this skin that fits in Windows Classic <img src='http://cybernetnews.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: C</title>
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		<dc:creator>C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 04:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i like the firefox 3 theme a lot better</description>
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