<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Opera Fights for IE Web Standards</title> <atom:link href="http://cybernetnews.com/opera-fights-for-ie-web-standards/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://cybernetnews.com/opera-fights-for-ie-web-standards/</link> <description>Technology News</description> <lastBuildDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 07:03:20 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Ryan</title><link>http://cybernetnews.com/opera-fights-for-ie-web-standards/#comment-126848</link> <dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:12:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://cybernetnews.com/2007/12/13/opera-fights-for-ie-web-standards/#comment-126848</guid> <description>Well said Cory. Whatever way this plays out someone is bound to be upset.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Cory. Whatever way this plays out someone is bound to be upset.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: CoryC</title><link>http://cybernetnews.com/opera-fights-for-ie-web-standards/#comment-126817</link> <dc:creator>CoryC</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:01:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://cybernetnews.com/2007/12/13/opera-fights-for-ie-web-standards/#comment-126817</guid> <description>Look, with each OS there is a lot of software that comes with it. No one claim that the included software is bug free, the best available, or the only one available.If you bought Windows and it didn&#039;t come with a web browser you be upset. People would say things like, &quot;Macs and Linux come with a browser, why can&#039;t Windows?&quot;Just think if Windows was just an OS without any included applications. No calculator, no calendar, web browser, email application, text editor, file manager, etc. What would you think of Microsoft?If Opera wants to be distributed with Windows then it can pay for it. But then people are going to complain about the extra icons that are placed on the desktop and the extra disk space it takes up.No matter how it works out, someone is going to be angry with the outcome.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, with each OS there is a lot of software that comes with it. No one claim that the included software is bug free, the best available, or the only one available.</p><p>If you bought Windows and it didn&#8217;t come with a web browser you be upset. People would say things like, &#8220;Macs and Linux come with a browser, why can&#8217;t Windows?&#8221;</p><p>Just think if Windows was just an OS without any included applications. No calculator, no calendar, web browser, email application, text editor, file manager, etc. What would you think of Microsoft?</p><p>If Opera wants to be distributed with Windows then it can pay for it. But then people are going to complain about the extra icons that are placed on the desktop and the extra disk space it takes up.</p><p>No matter how it works out, someone is going to be angry with the outcome.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ryan</title><link>http://cybernetnews.com/opera-fights-for-ie-web-standards/#comment-126701</link> <dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:40:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://cybernetnews.com/2007/12/13/opera-fights-for-ie-web-standards/#comment-126701</guid> <description>&lt;div class=&quot;commentquote&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-126496&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Michele wrote:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Microsoft should give you the chance to uninstall IE if you don’t like it after having downloaded an alternative browser.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/div&gt; Internet Explorer can be uninstalled if you so choose.&lt;div class=&quot;commentquote&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-126503&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;skh.pcola wrote:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Since IE is dominant, and because it is easy to hack a website together that works with that piece of crap&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/div&gt; Yes, it is dominant, but I wouldn&#039;t say it is easy to make a site that works perfectly in it. If it was easy I think there would be no complaints, but that&#039;s not the case at all.&lt;div class=&quot;commentquote&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-126542&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;netster007x wrote:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;many advanced sites won’t work fully or as stable/fast w/ Opera.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/div&gt; A lot of the issues fall back on JavaScript these days, where browsers handle JavaScript differently. That causes the AJAX-heavy sites to often fail in Opera, or at the very least they&#039;ll warn users that they are using an unsupported browser every time the site is visited.&lt;div class=&quot;commentquote&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-126549&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;dkong wrote:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;I don’t understand what I’m missing. If Opera is so fine and dandy, how come it’s so buggy with so many common sites?&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/div&gt; Because developers don&#039;t take the time to test sites in Opera. When we designed our new theme we made a point to test it in all of the major browsers, include Opera, IE, Firefox, Safari, Konqueror, and a few others. That way we knew that visitors using almost any browser would be able to view our site without any troubles. The problem with that is it took days for us to complete the testing in all the various browsers, and the more extensive a site is the longer it is going to take.&lt;div class=&quot;commentquote&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-126553&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tinhed wrote:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;As far as the last question in the article. If windows didnt come bundled with IE.Connect to the ftp site of firefox or opera and and download it from there. Even this is more acceptable than using a crap piece of software like IE.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/div&gt; That&#039;s definitely an idea, but how many people do you know are actually knowledgeable enough to connect to an FTP? I know I would be receiving dozens of support calls every week from people wondering why they can&#039;t get on the Internet.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="commentquote"><a href="#comment-126496" rel="nofollow">Michele wrote:</a><br /><blockquote>Microsoft should give you the chance to uninstall IE if you don’t like it after having downloaded an alternative browser.</p></blockquote></div><p>Internet Explorer can be uninstalled if you so choose.</p><div class="commentquote"><a href="#comment-126503" rel="nofollow">skh.pcola wrote:</a><br /><blockquote>Since IE is dominant, and because it is easy to hack a website together that works with that piece of crap</p></blockquote></div><p>Yes, it is dominant, but I wouldn&#8217;t say it is easy to make a site that works perfectly in it. If it was easy I think there would be no complaints, but that&#8217;s not the case at all.</p><div class="commentquote"><a href="#comment-126542" rel="nofollow">netster007x wrote:</a><br /><blockquote>many advanced sites won’t work fully or as stable/fast w/ Opera.</p></blockquote></div><p>A lot of the issues fall back on JavaScript these days, where browsers handle JavaScript differently. That causes the AJAX-heavy sites to often fail in Opera, or at the very least they&#8217;ll warn users that they are using an unsupported browser every time the site is visited.</p><div class="commentquote"><a href="#comment-126549" rel="nofollow">dkong wrote:</a><br /><blockquote>I don’t understand what I’m missing. If Opera is so fine and dandy, how come it’s so buggy with so many common sites?</p></blockquote></div><p>Because developers don&#8217;t take the time to test sites in Opera. When we designed our new theme we made a point to test it in all of the major browsers, include Opera, IE, Firefox, Safari, Konqueror, and a few others. That way we knew that visitors using almost any browser would be able to view our site without any troubles. The problem with that is it took days for us to complete the testing in all the various browsers, and the more extensive a site is the longer it is going to take.</p><div class="commentquote"><a href="#comment-126553" rel="nofollow">Tinhed wrote:</a><br /><blockquote>As far as the last question in the article. If windows didnt come bundled with IE.</p><p>Connect to the ftp site of firefox or opera and and download it from there. Even this is more acceptable than using a crap piece of software like IE.</p></blockquote></div><p>That&#8217;s definitely an idea, but how many people do you know are actually knowledgeable enough to connect to an FTP? I know I would be receiving dozens of support calls every week from people wondering why they can&#8217;t get on the Internet.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Asroone &#187; ????? ???? ?? ??????????</title><link>http://cybernetnews.com/opera-fights-for-ie-web-standards/#comment-126608</link> <dc:creator>Asroone &#187; ????? ???? ?? ??????????</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:00:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://cybernetnews.com/2007/12/13/opera-fights-for-ie-web-standards/#comment-126608</guid> <description>[...] ???? : CyberNet [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ???? : CyberNet [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tinhed</title><link>http://cybernetnews.com/opera-fights-for-ie-web-standards/#comment-126553</link> <dc:creator>Tinhed</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 06:12:31 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://cybernetnews.com/2007/12/13/opera-fights-for-ie-web-standards/#comment-126553</guid> <description>As far as the last question in the article. If windows didnt come bundled with IE.Connect to the ftp site of firefox or opera and and download it from there. Even this is more acceptable than using a crap piece of software like IE.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as the last question in the article. If windows didnt come bundled with IE.</p><p>Connect to the ftp site of firefox or opera and and download it from there. Even this is more acceptable than using a crap piece of software like IE.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mohan</title><link>http://cybernetnews.com/opera-fights-for-ie-web-standards/#comment-126551</link> <dc:creator>Mohan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 05:42:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://cybernetnews.com/2007/12/13/opera-fights-for-ie-web-standards/#comment-126551</guid> <description>I support Opera, as I am working on web app for a small company and the site doesn&#039;t look like it is suppose to in IE, but it just fine in Firefox, Opera, and Safari.  Stupid IE!  :evil:</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I support Opera, as I am working on web app for a small company and the site doesn&#8217;t look like it is suppose to in IE, but it just fine in Firefox, Opera, and Safari.  Stupid IE! <img src='http://cybernetnews.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_evil.gif' alt=':evil:' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: dkong</title><link>http://cybernetnews.com/opera-fights-for-ie-web-standards/#comment-126549</link> <dc:creator>dkong</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 04:20:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://cybernetnews.com/2007/12/13/opera-fights-for-ie-web-standards/#comment-126549</guid> <description>I don&#039;t understand what I&#039;m missing. If Opera is so fine and dandy, how come it&#039;s so buggy with so many common sites?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand what I&#8217;m missing. If Opera is so fine and dandy, how come it&#8217;s so buggy with so many common sites?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: CoryC</title><link>http://cybernetnews.com/opera-fights-for-ie-web-standards/#comment-126546</link> <dc:creator>CoryC</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 03:12:51 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://cybernetnews.com/2007/12/13/opera-fights-for-ie-web-standards/#comment-126546</guid> <description>&lt;div class=&quot;commentquote&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-126503&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;skh.pcola wrote:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;I hate having to fire up Firefox or IE to properly display websites that the designers were too lazy to make compliant with the standards.  Since IE is dominant, and because it is easy to hack a website together that works with that piece of crap, some websites don’t work with Opera.  Those websites never get bookmarked, either.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Don&#039;t blame Microsoft for lazy or incompetent developers.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="commentquote"><a href="#comment-126503" rel="nofollow">skh.pcola wrote:</a><br /><blockquote>I hate having to fire up Firefox or IE to properly display websites that the designers were too lazy to make compliant with the standards.  Since IE is dominant, and because it is easy to hack a website together that works with that piece of crap, some websites don’t work with Opera.  Those websites never get bookmarked, either.</p></blockquote></div><p>Don&#8217;t blame Microsoft for lazy or incompetent developers.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: netster007x</title><link>http://cybernetnews.com/opera-fights-for-ie-web-standards/#comment-126542</link> <dc:creator>netster007x</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 02:34:16 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://cybernetnews.com/2007/12/13/opera-fights-for-ie-web-standards/#comment-126542</guid> <description>Yeah, it is frustrating.  Opera has by far the best features, and complies with the standards, yet it&#039;s hit or miss whether a site will work with it.  Even if it does, many advanced sites won&#039;t work fully or as stable/fast w/ Opera.  I&#039;m all for IE taking the next step in standards compliance.  However, I disagree with forcing them to include competitors&#039; browsers pre-installed, or to not bundle their own (yah, how would you download browsers?).  That&#039;s bogus that they can&#039;t include WMP!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it is frustrating.  Opera has by far the best features, and complies with the standards, yet it&#8217;s hit or miss whether a site will work with it.  Even if it does, many advanced sites won&#8217;t work fully or as stable/fast w/ Opera.  I&#8217;m all for IE taking the next step in standards compliance.  However, I disagree with forcing them to include competitors&#8217; browsers pre-installed, or to not bundle their own (yah, how would you download browsers?).  That&#8217;s bogus that they can&#8217;t include WMP!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: David</title><link>http://cybernetnews.com/opera-fights-for-ie-web-standards/#comment-126509</link> <dc:creator>David</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:06:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://cybernetnews.com/2007/12/13/opera-fights-for-ie-web-standards/#comment-126509</guid> <description>Macs come with safari, windows comes with internet explorer. Getting microsoft to remove the internet browser is a stupid idea but getting microsoft to support open web standards is one of the best ideas. Now if only you could force them too instead of fining them.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Macs come with safari, windows comes with internet explorer. Getting microsoft to remove the internet browser is a stupid idea but getting microsoft to support open web standards is one of the best ideas. Now if only you could force them too instead of fining them.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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