Comments on: Opera Takes Home The Gold In The Browser Speed War http://cybernetnews.com/opera-takes-home-the-gold-in-the-browser-speed-war/ Technology News Mon, 23 Nov 2009 10:19:52 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Gregor http://cybernetnews.com/opera-takes-home-the-gold-in-the-browser-speed-war/comment-page-1/#comment-132641 Gregor Fri, 07 Mar 2008 09:46:30 +0000 http://tech.cybernetnews.com/2006/06/05/opera-takes-home-the-gold-in-the-browser-speed-war/#comment-132641 War, why war? I used both (Firefox/ Netscape & Opera) in the past. Firefox / Netscape was my primary browser, but I observed the development of Opera and tried some of the releases. It is the matter of personal preference, which one is better - Opera is very fast, but it can`t be compared with Firefox directly, because of the fact, that almost every Firefox user has several extensions installed. Speed, speed.... Speed isn`t everything. I diched Opera several times because it is not able to render some pages as it should. John Yowan said: Opera is also one of the best browsers (if not the best) at meeting internet standards. This is wrong statement. When we talk about complying with web standards.... we all know, how much time has to pass for browsers to comply with requirements of Acid2 test. Acid3 is released and the results are: Safari, Firefox, Opera...IE at the end. War, why war?
I used both (Firefox/ Netscape & Opera) in the past. Firefox / Netscape was my primary browser, but I observed the development of Opera and tried some of the releases.
It is the matter of personal preference, which one is better – Opera is very fast, but it can`t be compared with Firefox directly, because of the fact, that almost every Firefox user has several extensions installed.
Speed, speed…. Speed isn`t everything. I diched Opera several times because it is not able to render some pages as it should.

John Yowan said:
Opera is also one of the best browsers (if not the best) at meeting internet standards.

This is wrong statement.
When we talk about complying with web standards…. we all know, how much time has to pass for browsers to comply with requirements of Acid2 test. Acid3 is released and the results are: Safari, Firefox, Opera…IE at the end.

]]> By: Ryan http://cybernetnews.com/opera-takes-home-the-gold-in-the-browser-speed-war/comment-page-1/#comment-4049 Ryan Wed, 07 Jun 2006 01:13:56 +0000 http://tech.cybernetnews.com/2006/06/05/opera-takes-home-the-gold-in-the-browser-speed-war/#comment-4049 I use both Opera and Firefox quite regularly, but I would say I use Firefox a little more simply because all of the Google sites work perfectly with it. Especially the Google Notebook which only has add-ons available for Firefox and IE right now (and probably forever). I think that if Google made all of their sites Opera compatible then I would use Opera as my primary browser, but until then I give Firefox the edge. -Ryan I use both Opera and Firefox quite regularly, but I would say I use Firefox a little more simply because all of the Google sites work perfectly with it. Especially the Google Notebook which only has add-ons available for Firefox and IE right now (and probably forever).

I think that if Google made all of their sites Opera compatible then I would use Opera as my primary browser, but until then I give Firefox the edge.

-Ryan

]]> By: natmaster http://cybernetnews.com/opera-takes-home-the-gold-in-the-browser-speed-war/comment-page-1/#comment-4043 natmaster Tue, 06 Jun 2006 21:11:36 +0000 http://tech.cybernetnews.com/2006/06/05/opera-takes-home-the-gold-in-the-browser-speed-war/#comment-4043 John, I think you need to do the same for Firefox. I have tried out every release of Opera, and keep going back to Firefox - but that's my personal preference. However, based on what you described here, it is evident you aren't familiar with Firefox. So I suggest you try it out and see which you like better. Make sure to make use of the defining factor for Firefox - extensions. This is really the thing that sets Firefox apart, browsers can easily copy each other with regards to other features (as Opera obviously did, and continues to do in their recent releases.) John, I think you need to do the same for Firefox. I have tried out every release of Opera, and keep going back to Firefox – but that’s my personal preference. However, based on what you described here, it is evident you aren’t familiar with Firefox. So I suggest you try it out and see which you like better. Make sure to make use of the defining factor for Firefox – extensions. This is really the thing that sets Firefox apart, browsers can easily copy each other with regards to other features (as Opera obviously did, and continues to do in their recent releases.)

]]> By: John Yowan http://cybernetnews.com/opera-takes-home-the-gold-in-the-browser-speed-war/comment-page-1/#comment-4011 John Yowan Tue, 06 Jun 2006 08:00:16 +0000 http://tech.cybernetnews.com/2006/06/05/opera-takes-home-the-gold-in-the-browser-speed-war/#comment-4011 A lot of people say they like Firefox because of "Firefox’s easy to use interface". The truth is, Opera is just as easy to use and there are more ways to do things with more keyboard shortcuts (which you can edit), mouse gestures (you can edit those too), and even voice control. With all of those you can browse the internet a lot faster. Opera also has some other nice features including page zoom (can zoom in on text, images, java, flash, and some other things), 'fit to window' (Makes websites fit into a smaller screen without needing horizontal scrolling), sessions (the session includes the history of each tab, the settings for each tab, and the web page of each tab. sessions include as many windows/tabs as you want and it is easy to save/manage them), tabs, pop-up blocking, easy searching, (has a search box that includes Google, Ebay, Amazon.com and some other search engines.) themes, and a download manager (lets you list, pause, resume, or restart the downloading of different files. You are able to open the download right from the download manager and it can keep a history of recent downloads. ), widgets and BitTorrent downloading. Opera is also one of the best browsers (if not the best) at meeting internet standards. In comment 4 Aditya Mukherjee said “Opera is really not a Web 2.0 compatible browser yet (countless AJAX apps crash very soon after loading….)” I have not had a problem with that, are you sure it’s something with Opera or your settings or maybe you’re using a old weekly build that had some problems? I don’t know, I could be wrong… If you're a Firefox user you should just give Opera a chance, use it for about a week to get use to it and see what you think, when you go back to Firefox you will most likely be annoyed at how slow it is and how you can't do mouse gestures. I’ve gotten to the point where I took off the back and forward buttons because I never use them. Why go all the way up to the back button when you can just do a mouse gesture anywhere in the browser window to go back/forwards? A lot of people say they like Firefox because of “Firefox’s easy to use interface”. The truth is, Opera is just as easy to use and there are more ways to do things with more keyboard shortcuts (which you can edit), mouse gestures (you can edit those too), and even voice control. With all of those you can browse the internet a lot faster.
Opera also has some other nice features including page zoom (can zoom in on text, images, java, flash, and some other things), ‘fit to window’ (Makes websites fit into a smaller screen without needing horizontal scrolling), sessions (the session includes the history of each tab, the settings for each tab, and the web page of each tab. sessions include as many windows/tabs as you want and it is easy to save/manage them), tabs, pop-up blocking, easy searching, (has a search box that includes Google, Ebay, Amazon.com and some other search engines.) themes, and a download manager (lets you list, pause, resume, or restart the downloading of different files. You are able to open the download right from the download manager and it can keep a history of recent downloads. ), widgets and BitTorrent downloading.
Opera is also one of the best browsers (if not the best) at meeting internet standards.
In comment 4 Aditya Mukherjee said “Opera is really not a Web 2.0 compatible browser yet (countless AJAX apps crash very soon after loading….)” I have not had a problem with that, are you sure it’s something with Opera or your settings or maybe you’re using a old weekly build that had some problems? I don’t know, I could be wrong…
If you’re a Firefox user you should just give Opera a chance, use it for about a week to get use to it and see what you think, when you go back to Firefox you will most likely be annoyed at how slow it is and how you can’t do mouse gestures.
I’ve gotten to the point where I took off the back and forward buttons because I never use them. Why go all the way up to the back button when you can just do a mouse gesture anywhere in the browser window to go back/forwards?

]]> By: PhoenixP3K http://cybernetnews.com/opera-takes-home-the-gold-in-the-browser-speed-war/comment-page-1/#comment-4006 PhoenixP3K Tue, 06 Jun 2006 03:14:58 +0000 http://tech.cybernetnews.com/2006/06/05/opera-takes-home-the-gold-in-the-browser-speed-war/#comment-4006 Still the fastest browser on Earth, on many occasions. I never heard someone say Firefox was fast. I heard, it's faster then previous versions, or as fast as IE. Still the fastest browser on Earth, on many occasions.
I never heard someone say Firefox was fast. I heard, it’s faster then previous versions, or as fast as IE.

]]> By: Aditya Mukherjee http://cybernetnews.com/opera-takes-home-the-gold-in-the-browser-speed-war/comment-page-1/#comment-4005 Aditya Mukherjee Tue, 06 Jun 2006 03:10:22 +0000 http://tech.cybernetnews.com/2006/06/05/opera-takes-home-the-gold-in-the-browser-speed-war/#comment-4005 Opera has remained the fastest for a very long time. The difference in speeds is not noticed much in newer hardware, but on older hardware with not-so-fast CPU speeds, the difference is <b>very</b> visible. Not to mention the fact that Opera is a much <b>smaller</b> browser than its competitors. I'm a Fx user myself, but only because the extensions are something that I really can't live without. Plus, Opera is really not a Web 2.0 compatible browser yet (countless AJAX apps crash very soon after loading, and no integration with Web 2.0 sites like coComment). But I'm sure all these glitches canbe fixed, if Opera Software just puts their heads together. Kudos! Opera has remained the fastest for a very long time. The difference in speeds is not noticed much in newer hardware, but on older hardware with not-so-fast CPU speeds, the difference is very visible.

Not to mention the fact that Opera is a much smaller browser than its competitors. I’m a Fx user myself, but only because the extensions are something that I really can’t live without. Plus, Opera is really not a Web 2.0 compatible browser yet (countless AJAX apps crash very soon after loading, and no integration with Web 2.0 sites like coComment). But I’m sure all these glitches canbe fixed, if Opera Software just puts their heads together.

Kudos!

]]> By: natmaster http://cybernetnews.com/opera-takes-home-the-gold-in-the-browser-speed-war/comment-page-1/#comment-4004 natmaster Tue, 06 Jun 2006 01:52:07 +0000 http://tech.cybernetnews.com/2006/06/05/opera-takes-home-the-gold-in-the-browser-speed-war/#comment-4004 Crap, no edit option. Ok, I read this blurb and wrote my comment before I actually looked at the page that was referenced. Those browsers I mentioned WERE in the comparison. Crap, no edit option. Ok, I read this blurb and wrote my comment before I actually looked at the page that was referenced. Those browsers I mentioned WERE in the comparison.

]]> By: natmaster http://cybernetnews.com/opera-takes-home-the-gold-in-the-browser-speed-war/comment-page-1/#comment-4003 natmaster Tue, 06 Jun 2006 01:48:52 +0000 http://tech.cybernetnews.com/2006/06/05/opera-takes-home-the-gold-in-the-browser-speed-war/#comment-4003 People often get confused with what 'faster' means. When people say Firefox is faster, they aren't referring to raw application performance - the differences are so insignificant with modern hardware that it doesn't really have that much bearing on usability. After all, Firefox was not designed to be a benchmark junkie (the UI runs in an interpreted language!). What they are actually referring to is speed of use - because of Firefox's easy to use interface, and automated components, browsing the web is faster. This is somewhat subjective, as some users might not understand the functionality - but you can't really blame the software for that (unless it's designed non-intuitively). Also, when browsing the net, the real bottleneck would not be how fast the program loads, or this giant page renders, but how long it takes to download. With this regard, Firefox provides many features to accelerate the downloading speed of webpages (prefetching, fast-back, networking pipelining, etc). Of course, if you're running REALLY old hardware and application performance DOES become an issue, why not use the real fastest apps out there? (K-meleon, Camino) I wonder why those weren't included in this study... People often get confused with what ‘faster’ means. When people say Firefox is faster, they aren’t referring to raw application performance – the differences are so insignificant with modern hardware that it doesn’t really have that much bearing on usability. After all, Firefox was not designed to be a benchmark junkie (the UI runs in an interpreted language!).
What they are actually referring to is speed of use – because of Firefox’s easy to use interface, and automated components, browsing the web is faster. This is somewhat subjective, as some users might not understand the functionality – but you can’t really blame the software for that (unless it’s designed non-intuitively).
Also, when browsing the net, the real bottleneck would not be how fast the program loads, or this giant page renders, but how long it takes to download. With this regard, Firefox provides many features to accelerate the downloading speed of webpages (prefetching, fast-back, networking pipelining, etc).

Of course, if you’re running REALLY old hardware and application performance DOES become an issue, why not use the real fastest apps out there? (K-meleon, Camino) I wonder why those weren’t included in this study…

]]> By: Ed http://cybernetnews.com/opera-takes-home-the-gold-in-the-browser-speed-war/comment-page-1/#comment-4002 Ed Tue, 06 Jun 2006 00:25:43 +0000 http://tech.cybernetnews.com/2006/06/05/opera-takes-home-the-gold-in-the-browser-speed-war/#comment-4002 Until Opera makes Wand better or they allow RoboForm to be installed it's Firefox for me. Until Opera makes Wand better or they allow RoboForm to be installed it’s Firefox for me.

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