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	<title>Comments on: Thunderbird 2 vs. Outlook 2007: Who Will Wear the Crown?</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://cybernetnews.com/thunderbird-2-vs-outlook-2007-who-will-wear-the-crown/comment-page-1/#comment-141485</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Outlook is great when it works. I used to use Outlook 2007 on my office computer under XP Pro and it was great. Unfortunately, I had to switch to Thunderbird. Why? Because I recently got a new laptop with Vista, and I can assure you that Outlook 2007 is not an alternative under Vista. It is EXTREMELY slow and it crashes all the time. I&#039;ve tried EVERYTHING possible but it still sucks ass (yes, I&#039;ve disabled all the ad-ins; no, Outlook 2007 on my laptop is not an upgrade from 2003 and no, I do not have a particularily large number emails on the server). Bottom line: the software is not properly tested and it simply works very poorly under Vista (make a simple Google search and you&#039;ll see that I&#039;m hardly the only one with these problems). What about Thunderbird? No, it&#039;s not as nice as Outlook but it works fine on both my machine so that&#039;s what I&#039;m currently using. With the Lighting Calendar, it&#039;s (almost) comparable to Outlook. One thing is clear, it is much faster (also on the XP machine).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outlook is great when it works. I used to use Outlook 2007 on my office computer under XP Pro and it was great. Unfortunately, I had to switch to Thunderbird. Why? Because I recently got a new laptop with Vista, and I can assure you that Outlook 2007 is not an alternative under Vista. It is EXTREMELY slow and it crashes all the time. I&#8217;ve tried EVERYTHING possible but it still sucks ass (yes, I&#8217;ve disabled all the ad-ins; no, Outlook 2007 on my laptop is not an upgrade from 2003 and no, I do not have a particularily large number emails on the server). Bottom line: the software is not properly tested and it simply works very poorly under Vista (make a simple Google search and you&#8217;ll see that I&#8217;m hardly the only one with these problems). What about Thunderbird? No, it&#8217;s not as nice as Outlook but it works fine on both my machine so that&#8217;s what I&#8217;m currently using. With the Lighting Calendar, it&#8217;s (almost) comparable to Outlook. One thing is clear, it is much faster (also on the XP machine).</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2007 18:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do love having the Portable version of Thunderbird...it&#039;s nice always having my email with me without needing to use webmail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do love having the Portable version of Thunderbird&#8230;it&#8217;s nice always having my email with me without needing to use webmail.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 13:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are some important -for some people- advantages in Thunderbird that as far as I know does not exist in outlook but is being missed here. I have a legit outlook 2007 which I haven&#039;t used much so I may be wrong. I have an outlook 2002 at work and 2007 at home.

1- Portable Thunderbird. This is a good feature for carrying  your entire email account without having a laptop. I can run thunderbird from the pen drive or copy/sync the directory to a machine and use it there. For example I was in the airport and found PCs with a usb connector and so I was able to check my emails. It is easy to backup and even mess around with a copy of the account. 

2- I am not sure if outlook provides tagging but this feature can do wonders. 

3- Thunderird have thread view, which I am not sure if outlook provide that or not.

I have not used outlook much but I know it has a lot of features like exchange server support which can be a must have for businesses but for some lite/personal use and specially considering the add-ons, it is a great alternative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are some important -for some people- advantages in Thunderbird that as far as I know does not exist in outlook but is being missed here. I have a legit outlook 2007 which I haven&#8217;t used much so I may be wrong. I have an outlook 2002 at work and 2007 at home.</p>
<p>1- Portable Thunderbird. This is a good feature for carrying  your entire email account without having a laptop. I can run thunderbird from the pen drive or copy/sync the directory to a machine and use it there. For example I was in the airport and found PCs with a usb connector and so I was able to check my emails. It is easy to backup and even mess around with a copy of the account. </p>
<p>2- I am not sure if outlook provides tagging but this feature can do wonders. </p>
<p>3- Thunderird have thread view, which I am not sure if outlook provide that or not.</p>
<p>I have not used outlook much but I know it has a lot of features like exchange server support which can be a must have for businesses but for some lite/personal use and specially considering the add-ons, it is a great alternative.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 17:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In fact, that most people like thunderbird is only because it is free. They does not have enough money to buy Outlook so they cheat themselves by tell themselves and others repeatly that thunderbird is better, although it is extremely poor actually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fact, that most people like thunderbird is only because it is free. They does not have enough money to buy Outlook so they cheat themselves by tell themselves and others repeatly that thunderbird is better, although it is extremely poor actually.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 17:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you have ever used Outlook 2007, you will have noticed that it actually handle HTML perfectly, far better than thunderbird, which is extremely poor and insecure. Why outlook lacks background? Because it is much more secure than thunderbird, which renders html very poorly!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you have ever used Outlook 2007, you will have noticed that it actually handle HTML perfectly, far better than thunderbird, which is extremely poor and insecure. Why outlook lacks background? Because it is much more secure than thunderbird, which renders html very poorly!</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 03:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never really thought about the benefits companies get by upgrading Outlook and taking advantage of new API features. I could definitely see how that would be important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never really thought about the benefits companies get by upgrading Outlook and taking advantage of new API features. I could definitely see how that would be important.</p>
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		<title>By: CoryC</title>
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		<dc:creator>CoryC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 01:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div class=&quot;commentquote&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-102195&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;JT wrote:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Now with Thunderbird 2 and Lightning, You can manage events, send and receive invitations to and from Apple iCal or other calendars that support ics based invitations. 

Not forgetting shared calenders with CalDAV.

Sure Outlook has a lot of enterprise features, but at the cost of an Exchange Server! 

I find that Outlook has very poor UI design, unstable and too easily targetted by hackers. I get the impression that the more you use M Software the more you are stuck with them and the more you have to pay for products that are always hard to use and seriously flawed. 

Outlook users can’t even send rich text emails with the peace of mind that all the recipients not using outlook can read them. Thanks to the silly winmail.dat thingy.

Seems like it took them abt 7 years to deal with this security loophole that affected Outlook 2000 - 2003. 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS07-003.mspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.microsoft.com/techn.....7-003.mspx&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

I&#039;m not about to say that all Microsoft products are great but to say Outlook is seriously flawed, suffers from a very poor UI design, and is unstable is going overboard.  I&#039;ve used three different version of Office at two different employers and have had nearly NO problems.

Also, people tend to forget that Microsoft Office offers something many other office productivity suites do not; a development platform. For many enterprises, they use Office to automate many of their back-end day-to-day tasks.  Office has a very robust API and it gets better with each release.  For the company I was with at the time, the enhancement to the API from Office 2000 to 2003 was worth the cost to upgrade.  There was a lot of productivity to gain by leveraging the additions to the API.

For all it&#039;s faults it is still the best solution for the majority of enterprises and small businesses alike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="commentquote"><a href="#comment-102195" rel="nofollow">JT wrote:</a><br />
<blockquote>Now with Thunderbird 2 and Lightning, You can manage events, send and receive invitations to and from Apple iCal or other calendars that support ics based invitations. </p>
<p>Not forgetting shared calenders with CalDAV.</p>
<p>Sure Outlook has a lot of enterprise features, but at the cost of an Exchange Server! </p>
<p>I find that Outlook has very poor UI design, unstable and too easily targetted by hackers. I get the impression that the more you use M Software the more you are stuck with them and the more you have to pay for products that are always hard to use and seriously flawed. </p>
<p>Outlook users can’t even send rich text emails with the peace of mind that all the recipients not using outlook can read them. Thanks to the silly winmail.dat thingy.</p>
<p>Seems like it took them abt 7 years to deal with this security loophole that affected Outlook 2000 &#8211; 2003. </p>
<p>[<a href='http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS07-003.mspx' rel='nofollow'>microsoft.com</a>]</p></blockquote>
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<p>I&#8217;m not about to say that all Microsoft products are great but to say Outlook is seriously flawed, suffers from a very poor UI design, and is unstable is going overboard.  I&#8217;ve used three different version of Office at two different employers and have had nearly NO problems.</p>
<p>Also, people tend to forget that Microsoft Office offers something many other office productivity suites do not; a development platform. For many enterprises, they use Office to automate many of their back-end day-to-day tasks.  Office has a very robust API and it gets better with each release.  For the company I was with at the time, the enhancement to the API from Office 2000 to 2003 was worth the cost to upgrade.  There was a lot of productivity to gain by leveraging the additions to the API.</p>
<p>For all it&#8217;s faults it is still the best solution for the majority of enterprises and small businesses alike.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you David. And the Evernote app is a great program for taking notes. Even the free version is way better than Outlooks note-taking capabilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you David. And the Evernote app is a great program for taking notes. Even the free version is way better than Outlooks note-taking capabilities.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use thunderbird for email on my laptop as it is fast and much better than the outlook express that came bundled with windows. I really don&#039;t feel like paying out loads to use office, so thunderbird much like the openoffice.org I have installed on my computer wins over the expensive microsoft products and free crap that comes with windows. And this is the point. The software is great for home use and the add-ons allow you to make it as feature rich or streamlined as you like.

If you are looking for a note taking application to go with thunderbird I suggest you go for evernote of which both free and paid versions are available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use thunderbird for email on my laptop as it is fast and much better than the outlook express that came bundled with windows. I really don&#8217;t feel like paying out loads to use office, so thunderbird much like the openoffice.org I have installed on my computer wins over the expensive microsoft products and free crap that comes with windows. And this is the point. The software is great for home use and the add-ons allow you to make it as feature rich or streamlined as you like.</p>
<p>If you are looking for a note taking application to go with thunderbird I suggest you go for evernote of which both free and paid versions are available.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 04:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is definitely true that Microsoft tries to lure you into using there software, and don&#039;t make it easy to leave it. The last time I used Outlook I had a heck of a time trying to export emails for use in Thunderbird, but then again getting your emails out of Thunderbird isn&#039;t the easiest thing in the world either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is definitely true that Microsoft tries to lure you into using there software, and don&#8217;t make it easy to leave it. The last time I used Outlook I had a heck of a time trying to export emails for use in Thunderbird, but then again getting your emails out of Thunderbird isn&#8217;t the easiest thing in the world either.</p>
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